Why does the prophet know my name and phone number? Part 1

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By Bishop Dave Chikosi

Prophets seem to be everywhere nowadays. Some of them seem to know what an Old Testament military officer once told King Aram about Elisha. The officer told the king that the prophet knows “even the very words you speak in the privacy of your bedroom!” (2 Kings 6:12). 

Bishop Dave Chikosi

Bishop Dave Chikosi

The sacred and the secular world are both at a loss and don’t quite know what to make of this new prophetic phenomenon. We know psychics and mediums. But we are not used to prophets, even in our churches. At least not in the form and function they have recently surfaced throughout the church world.

What the church has traditionally called a prophet is simply someone who speaks forth the message of the Gospel as recorded in the Bible. A glorified evangelist-teacher if you would.

But what we have seen of late in the church world is mind-boggling to many. Prophets have surfaced all over the globe who go beyond just preaching and announcing the Good News of the salvation of souls. Now they can even tell you your phone number, the name of your dog or what you had for dinner last night. Maybe even the every words you speak in the privacy of your bedroom!

Several questions immediately arise. Is all this really necessary? If I already know my phone number, why is the man telling me what I already know (this is usually asked with a sarcastic smirk)? How different is that from the good old fortune teller/n’ganga/sangoma next door?

I hope to tackle these and other related questions and objections in these series of articles.

A lot has been said and written by scholars and students regarding the prophetic phenomenon. But let me give some friendly advice before we get too deep into this: if you are not a Prophet or an Apostle then an accurate understanding of how this gift functions is something above your pay grade.

If you have never functioned in the grace gift of a prophet, you are very poorly equipped to profess any knowledge of how it works. You are like a man who has never ridden a rollercoaster trying to describe how it feels to ride one. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. You can argue all day long with someone who has the gift, but at the end of the theological day, a man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument.

Only apostles and prophets have inside knowledge on how this gift really functions. Prophets yes, but why apostle? Remember, the apostle is the thumb in the five-fingered hand of God (Eph 4:11). The other four fingers are prophet, evangelist, pastor, and teacher. The thumb is the only digit on your hand that can touch all four fingers.

The apostle is therefore the only one of the five gifts that can stand and operate in all five offices, as the Spirit wills. The apostle can function as a prophet, sometimes as an evangelist and other times as pastor or teacher, depending on the needs of the congregation for the moment. The Holy Spirit who knows the need empowers the apostle to function outside his main calling and become whatever it is that the congregation lacks for the moment.

So allow me, your humble servant, to address this controversial topic from the standpoint of one who functions, by the grace of God, in the office of an apostle and carries that mantle for the glory of God.

The Bible speaks, not just of prophets, but of “Prophets and Seers.” These are two streams of the same river of the Spirit. They work side by side everywhere you find them in scripture. The Old Testament uses two different Hebrew words: Nabi for Prophet and Ro’eh for Seer. The Seer sees; the Nabi Prophet does not. Which leads us to an important prophetic axiom: “All God’s seers are prophets but not all God’s prophets are seers.”

The main difference between a Nabi Prophet and a Ro’eh Seer is how each receives divine revelation. The Nabi Prophet tends to receive his messages in audio form. The Ro’eh Seer, on the other hand, receives his messages mostly in visual form.

The Seer will see pictures, lights, colors and words. His task is to tell what he sees, even though sometimes it sounds like a bunch of mumbo jumbo. And then he must also try to make sense of what he is seeing, which is also not always an easy thing to do.

This is the reason why Seers often seem mentally detached and sound incoherent at certain times behind the pulpit. Downloading information from one realm (spirit) to another (physical) is not as simple as it sounds. Some things often get lost in translation – usually on the part of the listener.

Take for instance one of the visions that apostle John saw in the Book of Revelation. John saw locusts that look like horses with golden crowns on their heads. Their faces looked like men’s faces. But they wore long hair and had lions’ teeth. Well, go figure!

Now you can understand how, for listeners and readers, some things often get lost in translation. The message itself is divine, but understand that both messenger and recipients are human. The contents themselves are perfect but contamination can occur with either the giving or receiving container or both.

Many times the Seer himself knows neither the reason nor the season for which a particular vision is given. The apostle Peter speaks to this and says:

Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow (1 Pet. 1:10-11).

On the other hand, the Nabi (non-seeing) Prophet has it a little easier when it comes to communicating divine revelation. God usually just dumps a whole message into his spirit, out of which the Nabi Prophet speaks. This was the case with Moses, Jeremiah and others.

Of Moses God says:  “I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him” (Deut 18:18).

Again let me emphasize: the Ro’eh Seer and the Nabi Prophet are two streams of the same river. In scripture the two streams coexist and complement each other. In King David’s court, we see both Gad the Seer, and Nathan the Prophet, serving together (1 Chronicles 29:29). And during King Hezekiah’s reign we know that Asaph the Seer, and Isaiah the Prophet were contemporaries (2 Chronicles 29:30).

However, the Nabi Prophet’s assignment seems to be broader than that of the Ro’eh Seer. Prophets tend to address national issues and global events. In this sense we can call their ministry “macroscopic.” Seers, on the other hand, tend to go personal with their prophecies. They can be described as “microscopic.”

Microscopic prophecy, by its nature, does tend to get “all up in your business.” As you stand there listening to the prophet call out your name, address, phone number etc, you have to wonder how much of your personal dirty laundry is the man of God going to hang out in public? It can be quite a nerve-wrecking experience for a parishioner who knows he or she ain’t living right.

But of course, a real man of God will never embarrass you in public, no matter how black your sins are. Unfortunately some churches do that for self-righteousness reasons. We also know many media outlets that do it for a living. But that just isn’t Jesus’ style. Instead of causing further embarrassment to the woman caught in adultery, Jesus chose instead to embarrass the jokers who came armed to the teeth with stones, ready to, not only stone her to death, but bury her with the self-same stones.

How does Jesus handle the situation? “He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone.” As soon as He said this He stooped down and began to write on the ground. What was He writing? The names of some of the brothels that these same “stone brothers” had recently visited! My guess is as good as yours! But as soon as these prostitute-visiting brothers saw they had been outed, they left faster than anyone can say Jack Robinson.

You see, real men of God don’t glory in someone else’s shame or demise. And where a rebuke is needed for “a saint living like an ain’t” a true prophet of God will whisper that in your ear and tell you to get your act together without making you a spectacle for the whole world to mock and laugh at.

I think that today’s Christians are too eager to expose the wrongdoing of others. We are like Ham. We love to expose the nakedness of our fathers to our own detriment. All Ham had to do was simply throw a blanket over his drunk and naked father, walk out quietly and never tell anybody about it. Then no one else, including you dear reader, would have ever known of this whole sordid account in Genesis.

But “thanks” to Ham we have this mess on record in our Bibles.  Not content with just being a Peeping Tom, Ham had to become a news reporter also. He ran out and gleefully told his two brothers how dad had passed out naked and full of booze. But beloved, love does not delight in exposing others. “Love covers a multitude of sins” (1 Pet 4:8).

(To be continued)

  • https://www.facebook.com/653712376 Garikai Nyeke

    Utter rubbish he knows the name and telephone number of a person but does not know how to dig Zimbabwe out of the hole we are in or how to make us get a currency so we can be a country again? You think God is sitting in heaven sending telephone numbers and names to prophets instead of useful information like the cure for cancer or Aids? Maybe how to find water in deserts or make it rain in droughts or what roots and trees heal the sick? Criminal con men the whole lot of them and there is special place in hell for such vile creatures. None of them are prophets just crooks.

    • Fayafaya

      Your ignorance is on parade and you have the privilege of being the first to post utter rubbish under this very well articulated theological piece. You obviously dont read the Bible. When Jesus came was it to solve Jewish economic and political problems? Prophets dont come to do your bidding. They come with an assignment from heaven which may or may not have anything to do with economics or politics.
      Your comment “None of them are prophets” is dumb since there are no names in this article. Did you not go to school? Are you incapable of doing a study of a subject (which is currently of much interest) without making reference to persons? If you didnt go to school its never too late to enroll you know

      • moses

        Garikayi might be right

      • denny

        That is nothing ignorant in what Garikai said.and how does going to school enter here.You seem to have a problem.You are too emotional on things even yourself you don’t understand,cool down.

        • Fayafaya

          The ignorance consists of his thinking that prophets are sent to solve national economic and political problem.

      • Ale

        The problem with you fayafaya is,you only listen to what our dear leaned bishop says you must learn that there must be opposition to everything,Nyeke is only expressing his own opinion.even me when i look at the whole article i fail to understand what the Bishop is trying to teach us,like it or not we still have false prophets around us,and according to my opinion telling me my address and cellphone number is totally madness zvasiyana neyi ne mufemberi kana ng’anga? when i come to your church with a problem help me to fix it not to tell me nezve address yangu kana phone dzangu,iwe fayafaya usaite hasha control your anger.

        • Fayafaya

          Hapana hasha apa. I used the same words Nyeke used – “utter rubbish.” How come u dont object to Nyeke’s use of those same words?
          There are similarities between the real (prophets) and the counterfeit (n’ganga). But the counterfeit should not make us throw away the real. If you read your Bible you will see that God does show his prophets personal details of people’s lives. You cant fight scripture bru

    • Jubilee Faith

      Garikai. Be careful speaking against men of God. Your understanding is of this world. You think of your concerns or assume you are knowledgeable of what your fellow men require. But remember something very important. A prophet is not your servant, neither a seer. They are God’s servants and the bible warns that never attack another man’s servant for he is not your servant. Let him who appointed that servant rebuke him. I am not saying fake prophets dont exist. The bible warns against them. But if I were you, I would not speak of that which I dont quite understand neither would I speak evil of him who I did not appoint.

      God ordered us to honour all men, love the brotherhood (fellow Christians), fear God (treat Him with reverence) and honour the king (whoever rules, whether he be known as prime minister/president). God never said honour those you think are genuine or those who have treated you with love or respect. He said honour all of them, regardless of what they have done. This is why King David could not bring himself to kill King Saul. David was a man who understood that noone can speak against God’s anointed, nor harm him. And even though Saul had disobeyed the Lord and was no longer yielding himself to the Lord, he was still anointed by God. David recognised this, refused to speak evil of Saul, blessed Saul even when he was trying to kill him, honoured him, respected Saul (even when David knew God had anointed him to take Saul’s place) and lastly killed the man who killed Saul, asking him: “Did you not fear raising your hand against God’s anointed?’

      Dont bring the wrong things in your life by going against those God has blessed. If you want your life to be without mishap, dont remove yourself from the grace. Heed God’s words and they are life to your flesh, they are medicine to your flesh my brother.

      • denny

        Why should he be careful?Those people you call man of God,some of them are nothing else but crooks.

        • Fayafaya

          U miss the point. Saul was a wicked king yet David called him, not wicked, but anointed. You Denny would have called Saul wicked. But that’s also why you dont have David’s favor. You dont have David’s spiritual comprehension of kingdom matters. You call other people crooks as if you yourself dont have any vice? You such a wonderful, flawless human being arent you?

    • Andy

      @Garikai, and once you are out of the financial hole that you created for yourself will you give God the glory? U want God to bail u out financially so u can go commit more expensive sins with the extra money? U may be a crook but if u think u can con God that way then u r really deceived

      • Zimuzimba

        Zimuzimba I have visited the so called prophets like u say for the past twenty years.Yes I’v been told my address,my telephone number and a lot of other staff which I already new and after all unnecessary to be told about.The most surprising thing is none managed to solve my problems.I respect people of God but I believe the best is to talk to God yourself.

        • Fayafaya

          God does not bless visitors, and thats your problem. He honors commitment. Dont go to see what you can get. Go to worship God and you will be amazed at what God can do

          • fidza

            haadi commitment to church as you are trying to imply, he is right pakuti its better kutsvaga mwari, because thats what he wants – someone who follows him. He even hears uri wega – aitaura wani na moses in the burning bush ari ega, elijah in the wilderness ari ega, even john the baptsist ari ega. I know you want to emphasis joining the church to get results which is a wrong assumption

        • Fayafaya

          I am not surprised you got no help. You need an attitude adjustment to begin with. If you call them “so called prophets” how can they help you? Also, God does not bless faith visitors. God honors commitment. Stop visiting and start committing. Dont go to see what you can get. Go with the motive to worship God and you will be amazed at what God can do.

    • ZoraSenator

      i pitty for you my bro cz it showz you wont even understand the bible coz you are much focused on earthly rules

    • wyswyg

      2 Peter 2:1: “There were false prophets among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you”
      A prophet was God’s mouthpiece: he spoke for God and gave His message. Sometimes that message was regarding the future. Other times it concerned the present, even the past, or simply doctrinal truth, but it was always God’s message spoken forth. Saka what has phone numbers got to do with God’s message!

      • Andy

        I dont know but maybe if we stay patient the Bishop might adress this in part 2. this was just part 1

  • https://www.facebook.com/100002034620372 Godwin Tinomudaishe Kuodza

    True man

  • https://www.facebook.com/100001810052213 Daisy Muchegwa Chimombe

    Thats tru

  • https://www.facebook.com/100000930420304 Munyaradzi Moyo

    thru dat man

  • https://www.facebook.com/100003865656997 Richard Tachi

    Musatijairire mhata dzenyu fokofu

    • Andy

      God loves you even when u r publicly displaying signs of mental illness. Repent while there is still hope

      • Fayafaya

        More like mental diarrhoea . . .

  • Bishop Taitas Taitasei Machingura

    It does not help at all what is needed is a solution towards one’s problems

    • Andy

      How can studying the Bible not help? The author is simply explaining the Biblical teaching concerning prophets. Are you as a bishop saying we shouldnt know how the prophetic works?

  • Oswell Jeranyama

    @Nyeke,you are very rite man

  • https://www.facebook.com/100003963080999 Edson Mutsvairo

    Munhu mumwe nemumwe achatongwa nezvakabata lets leave them to GOD to judge, these are signs of the end times.

  • Victor Vicman Karonga

    Bloody criminals tibvirei apo nxaaaa !

    • Andy

      Thats what they also called Jesus – criminal. They crucified Him among criminals. But we now know who the real criminals were dont we? God still loves you and if you repent He will forgive you of your ignorance dear brother.

  • Victor Vicman Karonga

    Bloody criminals tibvirei apo nxaaaa !

    • Andy

      Thats what they also called Jesus – criminal. They crucified Him among criminals. But we now know who the real criminals were dont we? God still loves you and if you repent He will forgive you of your ignorance dear brother.

  • https://www.facebook.com/821310623 Gideon Mtetwa

    even the devil can perfom wonders and cite scripture for his own good. even the bible spoke of many false prophets coming in our day. the acid test for false prophets is money. They say the love of money is the root of all evil. Any so callled prophet getting rich thru preaching is false. Period. Il not mention names but we all know them

    • Fayafaya

      I take it you are a Christian. Yes there are false prophets. But doesnt that very statement imply there are true ones? And how would we ever know if people dont write articles like this that enable each of us to check the relevant Bible verses for ourselves? You should be glad someone is writing publicly about something a lot of people complain about privately

  • https://www.facebook.com/725113381 Darlington Nyamutswa

    @ Garikai wataura wabaya dede nemukanwa I always ask myself why is that those guys wanoti kuzvirema simuka ufambe why can they not say the same in Zim kuti poverty out

    • Fayafaya

      Is that what Jesus did to poverty in Palestine when He came?

      • Numan

        Fayafaya dzora mwoyo kani. Zvakaitwa naJesu ndezvenguva iyoyo vanhu vachapfeka nyatera. Ikozvino Jesu akodzoka he isnt looking at healing leprosy but AIDS. Faya nenguva shasha

        • Fayafaya

          Aiwa ka mukoma. Jesu wedu uyu haashanduke. “He is the same yesterday, today and forever” (Heb 13) And btw He is not dead and gone. He is ever present with us. What He did back then, He is doing thru us today. So if He did not wave poverty away back then, why does anyone think His servants today can just wave poverty away?

          • Ale

            Iwe fayafaya hauverengi bhaibheri,ingawani mwari akatumira shoko ne nguva ya Joseph ku Egypt kuti vachava ne nzara vaifanira kuchengeta chikafu,is it not the same nema sitiations atinawo mu Africa here?they also asked Jesus Christ about his second coming,what did he say? he talked about zvirwere he talked about wars and rumors of wars he talked about false prophets that will even deceive the very elect, so if you tell me its not true that prophets never talked about social,economic and political issues then ndarasika ipapo.

          • Fayafaya

            @Ale, sometimes prophets do address socio-politico-economic issues. But that is never their main agenda. Their main agenda is to call people back to God. I dont think any Bible reader will disagree with us.

  • https://www.facebook.com/100003250031264 Nhamo Flaven Mutema

    Prophet anofanira kutaura zvichaitika not 4n number ,zita ndoma prophet aBaari

    • Fayafaya

      ko Jesu akaudza Nathaniel zita rake ndiBaari futi?

  • Shepherd Marufu

    Stop misleading people, the bible carries it all, upto the second coming of jesus, everything has been foretold by true prophets, incuding people like you, no wonder you now resort to telling people phone numbers, nothing new from the creator, non of you are able to foresee natural hazards, but witchcraft only, probably your source of power is the same as these witches

    • Fayafaya

      I take it you dont believe in New Testament prophets as stated in Ephesians 4:11? So the Holy Spirit who wrote Eph 4:11 is misleading us since there are no prophets? Is this your argument as a Christian? i look forward to seeing your response so we can have an adult debate (minus the name-calling) about this

      • Ale

        Fayafaya imbondiudzawo haprakatapra unomuziva?i rember when i was at primary school he used to visit us,in odre for you to see him you must pay 5cents,ayiita mapipi ayigona kuchinja munhu achimuita huka kana kuti ukandire zai se tseketsa ayizvigona,i would wonder kuti if he was here this time will he be able to tell you your cell number and address,so my point is Bishop vatura nezve muoni ne mufemberi,havana kuti jekesera kuti tingazive sei kuti uyu mufemberi wa Mwari kana vose vachiita mapipi akafanana uyezve vachida mari nekupfeka vzipfeko zvinoshamisra,vasiyana papi ?as i said before the book of Mathew 24:24 makes it clear that there shall arise false prophets who will perform miracles some will even call themselves by my name,saka toziva sei kuti uyu ndewamwari kanakuti mapipi chete?ndinovimba ivo Bishop wakadzidza pa next article yavo vachatijekesera.

        • Fayafaya

          @Ale, remember Bishop sadi this was part 1 of a series of articles. So lets hope he gets into what u r asking cause I agree with you that it is important to know the difference

  • Shepherd Marufu

    You should also mention that majority of today’s prophets are very rich

    • Fayafaya

      Is it a sin to be rich? Lets tyalk about this one too in an adult manner i.e. with no childish name calling

  • Victor Siwelah

    4rm th buk of genesis to revelation handisati ndaona pane mporofita akaporofita vanhu vachiti ‘prophesy man of God’, instd t ws vice vesa

    • Fayafaya

      Thanx for a genuine observation made without the childish name-calling we often see here. We can have a debate without stooping low to our gutter instincts.
      My response: I havent seen that either inscripture. But so what? I also havent seen any place in Bible where a preacher speaks and people clap. Just because its not written in scripture doesnt make it wrong. There a a lot of things we do and say at church that are not written in scripture. Its unrealistic to expect God to record everything we supposed to do in 66 books.

      • Numan

        Ahiwa shamwari u being a traitor here. How can u ask “So what?” when earlier on u were asking somebody to follow suit of the biblical era?
        Let me quote:
        Darlington Nyamutswa: @ Garikai wataura wabaya dede nemukanwa I always ask myself why is that those guys wanoti kuzvirema simuka ufambe why can they not say the same in Zim kuti poverty out
        Reply

        Fayafaya
        December 12, 2012 at 5:57 pm

        Is that what Jesus did to poverty in Palestine when He came?
        Reply
        Numan
        December 12, 2012 at 10:02 pm

        Fayafaya dzora mwoyo kani. Zvakaitwa naJesu ndezvenguva iyoyo vanhu vachapfeka nyatera. Ikozvino Jesu akodzoka he isnt looking at healing leprosy but AIDS. Faya nenguva shasha

        • Fayafaya

          I wud like to respond but your logic is hard for me to follow

  • Andy

    Another good academic analysis on a subject of much interest today. I thought the distinction between Nabi and Ro’eh was very interesting. I look forward to see the development of this thesis and hopefully it will cover issues like how to determine the false from the true.
    To those who are complaining, this is one man’s academic thesis. If you have a different theology of prophets, instead of cussing and complaining, offer it.

  • http://www.theindependent.co.zw Promise Chitsidzo

    We need more people like you guys who refuse to be fooled by these criminals who go around vachiita mapipi nezvishamiso zvisingatibatsire. They need to know we are sick and tired of them… or perhaps just tired! God wants us to abide by his laws so that we can be good enough to be citizens of His world! Kana muPorofita asingataure zvekururama kwedu haasati atanga zvake! We are tired of nánga idzi dzirikushandira mumachurch dzichida chete kutadzisa vanhu kunamata Mwari nenzira kwayo. Satan is also very clever and has devised all sorts of colourful and attention-grabbing things to distract and deviate people from walking the REAL path of God. Please do not be cheated… iro basa raMwari rinotaura rega… rine idi nechiremera charo. Ndine urombo kutaura ndichidaro but mafake vanhu ava… BEWARE!!!

    • Andy

      You sound like a Bible believer. So tell me, you dont believe the Bible when it says it was Jesus Himself who gave prophets to the church? What do you think?

      • Kux

        @Andy please tell these people that they are being fooled by the devil by thinking that every prophet is fake.the devil knows that if he does not confuse them he will be exposed,that is why people like Promise Chictsidzo are echoeing from the devil’s side.

  • Charles TMJ Dube

    This certainly an enriching contribution from Bishop Chikosi. Balanced article. He has not neither defended nor attacked those who tell people their id numbers or cell numbers, but just indicated that this could be the micro side of the other prophesy. Only God knows which among them use what power, or those with the gift of discernment.True, there will always be those who are from God’s side and those from the other camp, and may be, it is not for us to judge, unless there are other apparent unBiblical side issues that we cannot just ignore and the spirit of God compels us to so state.

  • https://www.facebook.com/100002729248322 Shepherd Malingeni

    manyepo awo tibvunzeyi isu vekuChipinge tikudzeyi varikuzvita kuno vanasangoma

    • Andy

      Chipinge chineyi nezvirikutaurwa pano? Kana uri sangoma buda pachena shamwari

  • https://www.facebook.com/100002729248322 Shepherd Malingeni

    manyepo awo tibvunzeyi isu vekuChipinge tikudzeyi varikuzvita kuno vanasangoma

    • Andy

      Chipinge chineyi nezvirikutaurwa pano? Kana uri sangoma buda pachena shamwari

  • brian

    @Andy i should admit i like your inclination. if people want to talk about prophets, it is the bible that should be the reference and not some funny ideologies whose origins are as dubious as they can be. it is sad that people when confronted with such topics that address real new testament issues they resort to making these baseless conclusions such as ‘mafake’ , their argument tends to end there with these statements. ok maybe whoever they are referring to is indeed fake. question is do they believe in new testament prophets at all. most likely the answer is a quick “yes” . so who is an example? none! lol.
    Christ gave gifts unto man. new testament. and that does not change and will not be anywhere. so live with it guys, He gave gifts unto men.
    the problem is the statements like mafake vanhu ava do nothing less than to confuse saints into believing there are no prophets in our season. now whether u are surrounded by ‘fake prophets’ or not the reality is the office of the prophet is still functional in this generation.

  • Anonymous

    And these prophets are mushrooming in Africa more than anywhere else, taking advantage of the poor and desperate folk. It’s not rocket science to know that desperate people can do anything to get out of their situation. These prophets are taking advantage of that taking poor people’s money for their own self enrichment.

    • Fayafaya

      Statistically what u just said is false. There is probably more prophetic activity in Latin America than anywhere else.
      Yes there are false prophets. But that very statement in itself suggests there are true ones. You cant have a false if there is no true. Those of us who care for Truth refuse to throw the baby out with the bathwater as you and your troops here are advocating. Read your Bible. New Testament prophets were given by none other than Jesus Christ Himself. You, Anonymous, and your cabal can never take that away from the church. Never ever! Satan has tried that already and failed. May be you can have better luck than satan!

      • Anonymous

        I refuse to be taken for a ride by anyone. I have questions regarding the source of their wealth, what successful businesses did they run that earned them so much wealth? Not even the Charambas are that rich even though everyone knows the origins of their wealth, I.e. singing gospel music. With these so called prophets it just boggles the mind how they managed to amass so much wealth at such a young age with no known viable business ventures.

        • Andy

          U off topic. Wealth is not the subject of this article

          • Anonymous

            Source of wealth is the originating cause of all these questions being asked so it cannot be off topic.

          • Andy

            We are all responding directly to the contents of this article. I dont know which article u r responding to. U may want to look up previous articles by the same author. They dealt with the subject of prosperity. Your comments would be relevant there. Here they are totally irrelevant. Cant you see that?

    • http://www.theindependent.co.zw Promise Chitsidzo

      Lets put the record straight. There are genuine prophets and false prophets and the majority by far are false prophets…. it was like that even when there is reference to prophets of Baal in the bible, the times of Elijah, times of Moses etc … and even today!

      Lets help each other here: A genuine prophet will be known for, among other related traits; not being material, being modest, giving credit to the name of God and not to himself, preaching Righteousness, …preaching wealth is a definite ‘no, no, no’, does not charge of entice people to pay anything. False prophets will be known for doing anything contradicting these traits. This sounds minor but its a serious indictment if a prophet fails to meet just ONE of these traits.

      • Fayafaya

        So who is setting the criteria of what a true prophet is – you? On what basis and by what authority? Why do you think all of us should be bound by your own man-made rules? Is this not arrogance? Give us scripture then we can talk. Otherwise forget it

  • wyswyg

    Crazy article! Satan is trying by all means to twist the gospel. This is no sound doctrine. This is the craziest stuff I’ve read so far.
    I will pray to my Jesus ati nunure. Zvime izvi mashura aya!
    Fayafaya you won’t stop fayaring.

  • Andy

    . . and if he succeeds where satan has failed what does that make him?

    • wyswyg

      same difference. Satan and false teachers come in many forms.
      Jesus says “Rev 2:2-3″

  • vee

    …Delusional African Christians, a very sad people

    • Andy

      And what are you – delusional African pagan?

  • http://www.bob.co.za Matibili

    Welcome back Dhivha Dollar$$$$$ – saka Dhivha tiudzewo isu vana gonzo, ko iwe uri Muporofita here?

    …………”if you are not a Prophet or an Apostle then an accurate understanding of how this gift functions is something above your pay grade.” Dhivha Dollar – 2012

    • http://www.theindependent.co.zw Promise Chitsidzo

      “If you have never functioned in the grace gift of a prophet, you are very poorly equipped to profess any knowledge of how it works. You are like a man who has never ridden a rollercoaster trying to describe how it feels to ride one. The proof of the pudding is in the eating. You can argue all day long with someone who has the gift, but at the end of the theological day, a man with an experience is never at the mercy of a man with an argument.” (so says Bishop Chikosi)

      They want to make us believe that we are not qualified to competently assess and evaluate their work, they want to shut us out but no we will not accept that! We are the consumers and we want them to know that we will scrutinise thoroughly and we are certainly not in a position to accept the majority of them because they are messengers of satan. This secretiveness he wants to project is a trait from the dark side of the equation & we are quite uncomfortable with it. I believe God gave us enough to go on since we are the object, subject and target of these missions on earth. He would not make us helpless, passive victims, incapable of calculated choices would He?

      • Andy

        You missed the point. You are allowed to evaluate a ministry for yourself to see whether its beneficial to you or not. But what the writer says is that u cannot profess to know how a gift works if you have never operated it. Surely u dont need to be a rocket scientist to know thats true.
        You can evaluate if a rollercoaster can be fun or not. But what you cannot do is try to tell us how it feels to ride one if youve never been on one. Get it?

    • Bhora Resimbi

      No Matibili you are not a prophet. You are the guy whom ZRP is interested in interviewing kkkkkk

  • http://www.bob.co.za Matibili

    Here is a video of how the ‘prophets’ know everything abt you; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNl52deOZro

    • Bhora Resimbi

      This man was discredited as a prophet long ago. This is common knowledge among believers

  • Trevour Chimwe

    Kufembera zvakaitika, zviripo nezvichaitika/kupangidzwa kuoneswa zvakadzama zvipo zvirimuvanhu ,kuva munamati wechipi chitendero zvacho panyika. Hazvinei kuti uri mukristu kana unotendera zvipi chipo chipo basi. kushanda nemweya mutsvene kana upi chipo kutaura chokwadi chichibuda sezvazviri zvichionekwa kana kuwirirana nezvazvakaita/zvazvichaita zvagara zviri muvanhu, nyangwe Bhaibhiri richiri revaIsrael chete. ZvaMwari kushandisa zvipo izvozvi kana kusava nazvo iwe uchitevera mitemo yaMwari sezvayakanyorwa muBhaibheri shoko raMwari,kutangira paneinegumi, inosanganisira kuchengeta Sabata Zuva rakazorora Mwari akarikomborera (NOKUSINGAPERI). Zvimwe zvose musatiitire fiction yekutiudza zvamunoda nokuda kweutere hwepfungwa, nokukara kwenyama, (HUMAN NATURE). Zvakatangira mubindu reEDEN.

    • Bhora Resimbi

      Sorry mate, the Ten Commandments are no longer binding on believers today. Sabata harizi zuva rimwe, its a state of rest in Christ.

  • Memory Gwatidzo

    God loves you even when u r publicly displaying signs of mental illness. Repent while there is still hope.What you say in public shows what type of a person you are.

  • bro joe

    Thanks for the well reserched article. People should not wonder why a prophet can give you details about your life such name,address, phone number. This all meant to raise someone’s faith and make them believe that they are speaking to someone who is operating from a defferent realm. Jesus Himself when He was calling His desciples He met a guy by the name of Philip and He described where He had seen him sitting under a tree which is as good as an address. Prophets dont decide what they should prophecy its all by an anction of the Holy Spirit. Isreal had proplems even when prophets were there, they went into times of austerity and capitivity until such a time when God’s time came to deliver them. Problems that nations go through some are out of disobidience in a nation and failure by a nation to call unto God. God says if my people called by my name call upon me and turn away from their evil and unbelief ways i will hear and heal their land. Prophets exercise their gift as they are led by the Holy Spirit.

  • Jambanja

    Only in Zimbabwe where you have those kinda of prophets and Nigeria f those prophets and f those fools who believe them murimhata mese hell is waiting for you all

    • Andy

      Another case of mental diarrhoea. Get some treatment . . . if u can afford it

  • Anonymous

    just read Hebrews chapter 1 verses 1 and 2

  • Hids

    Do not compare Jesus with our prophets they are brainwashing people Others are saying usauya kuimba yaMwari usina chawakabata asi bible kuna isiah rinoti uya utore ruponeso pasina mari pasina mubhadharo nyangwe zvedu tichifanira mubhadharo matithes asi hazvisi zvekunzi mari Ako is going to double that money is soul winning They say come with money even the money is dirty money they say come with money God will multiply that money but Jehovah God has nothing to to with that money robber or a prostitute are assured that their money will be blessed which means the prostitute will be going to have clients and the robber will have more chances of robbing people a true prophet preaches a gospel of repentance mari tinoida asi bible rozoti zvakare jaya mupfumi akanzi tengesa zvose upe kuvarombo hanzi akabvapo atsamwa Jesu pane pavakati usazviunganidzira pfuma yepano pasi inoora asi yekudenga so if u are call your self a prophet but not doing what the bible want u to do it means u are a fake prophet

    • Bhora Resimbi

      saka iwe wakatengesa here zvese ukapa varombo? tiudzewo shamwari

  • Chipoko

    Point of correction VaCharamba is alleged connived with a bank manager at Agribank’s Mvurwi branch to steal Z$40 million, Z$9 million was only recovered from his bank account.

  • Naija based in Zim

    Greetings fellow Africans!!!! i begooo don’t be deceived there is nothing more evil than using people’s faith & desperation to line your own pockets! I know a lot of guys in Nigeria and now spreading to south Africa and zimbabwe who are doing the same thing that you are referring to as prophecies through the influence of a familiar spirit or spiritual father..Those people can even tell you how much money you have in your pocket, your birth day, your bank account number, phone number, house address, the decoration of your house and so forth, As you see them standing in the pulpit they are with a spiritual guide or they call them ascended masters (a familiar spirit) who is giving them those information, There is a place in Calabar and Ugep where you can go and be initiated into a brotherhood; they will spiritually wash your eyes and you will begin to”prophecy”. the same dark circle is also in Ghana. Just be carefulooo, If you get yourself established in the word of God, you will not need a prophet to tell you what God have for you, God says, Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.(Jeremiah33:3).

    • Fayafaya

      Naija, this is so miguided on many levels:
      1. its arrogance on your part to assume prophecy began in your country of Nigeria and is now spreading southwards. Why is it important for u to try to take credit for something that has been with us in Zimbabwe since the 1890′s?Prophecy began, not in Nigeria, but with the Ascension of Jesus (read Eph 4:11)
      2. The spiritual witchcraft you describe may be what is happening in your country, but it is not what this writer is referencing. He is discussing New Testament prophecy in the light of its Old Testament roots. I hope you are not one of those Christians who doesnt believe Eph 4:11
      3. The article nowhere advocates that believers be dependent on personal prophecy, as you seem to suggest. The article merely expounds on the dynamics of the prophetic as seen in both Testaments. Do you have a problem with that?

      • Naija based in Zim

        @ Fayafaya ….Bros dont vex wooo !!!i was merely trying to answer the article’s topic name …..

        • Naija based in Zim

          @fayaya Also ask yourself why so many zimbos prophets and wealthy people are always flocking to Naija to see their spiritual fathers ? Whats lacking in ZIM ???

          • Fayafaya

            Naija, many Africans are also flocking to the 2 Zim prophets being discussed. i dont think we have statistics that tell us who is doing more travelling than who. It doesnt really matter. The fact is people are hungry for more than religion. They want reality. And if they can find it in Timbuctoo, they will do what it takes to go there. Its not about Naija, Zim, US etc. Its about God using His servant wherever He finds them available. Lets not lose perspective and get into unnecessary and useless nationalistic jingoism that tries to pit one country against another

    • Andy

      The devil’s trick is to get us so scared of the counterfeit u describe, that we reject the real. No we’re not doing that. Never ever!
      Jesus gave us 5 gifts including prophets in Eph 4:11 and we are not going to be cheated out of what God gave us. Spiritual witches can do what they like but they will not be allowed to dictate what we Christians believe. Their father was defeated on the Cross. So bring it on you devils!

      • Naija based in Zim

        @ Bros Andy dont dull …i beg As Christians we should not promote hate and call each other names just because our views differ…i will not stoop to your level because it might out of ignorance and you dont know what is really happening out there

        • Andy

          @Naija, if u re-read my comments u will realise that I wasnt calling you names. I was talking abt the spiritual witches u referred to in your comments. Those are the ones Im calling devils, not u bru! Shalom.

  • wyswyg

    The gift of prophecy is no longer given to the church, there is no need for it today. God has given a complete revelation which is altogether sufficient in all matters of faith and practice. The prophets met a unique need of that first century church, before this revelation was available. The church today does not need any prophets to give new revelation, only teachers and preachers to expose it to the Revelation already given.
    Ephesians 2:20

    • Fayafaya

      So what do you propose we do with Eph 4:11?

  • https://www.facebook.com/100001885131697 Luckson Kaps Zabula

    Why are 2day’s prophecies ol about being money money with no Salvation pane nyaya Apa!!

    • Bhora Resimbi

      there are hundreds of prophets in zim alone. Have u listened to all of them? dont make blanket statements after listening to one or 2 only

  • Sida

    Ndoshama chaizvo how one is quickly labelled as against God if u are against these false teachers and prophets.they would rather we just keep quiet mumoyo and not expose them for what they are.

    • Bhora Resimbi

      how are they false? how do you know? what scriptures do u have to back u up?

      • Chabwino Chauruka

        They are known by their love of money, bling bling, not living according to the scriptures etc. Some of the false prophets even have “small houses”.

      • wyswyg

        read this article and then search the scriptures. You WILL find the answers.
        God does not contradict Himself. 1 John 4:1 instructs us, “Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.”

  • Anonymous

    You all need to get a life. Religion, spirituality is a personal choice. All this rattling and going back and forth debating, arguing, shoving and bossing is not gonna change anyone’s opinion.

    Sit down tuu.

    • Fayafaya

      “Honest disagreement is often a good sign of progress” – Mahatma Ghandi

  • Tichatonga Magorira

    The mentioning of phone numbers and addresses is clear testimony that the Prophet knows you, it doesn’t mean that it heals. It is an exhibition of God’s power. You must also remember that in the bible someone was told by Jesus that he was sitting under an olive tree, it meant that the God we serve knows you.

  • soko

    Thank you Bishop for taking time to tackle this matter of great social interest as it raises a lot of questions than answers and i/we hope to be enlighted through these discussions.It seems this notion of prophets knowing your name ,address (and some have even put adverts saying “the only prophet that can tell you your ID number”) inter alia was popularised by a Charlatan later exposed masquerading as a prophet by the name of PETER POPOFF his gimmicks such as “miracle money” have been plagarised by our very own .The video link below shows how Peter Popoff was exposed and how he is being copied in our bevoled country :

    • wyswyg

      @Soko. Trust me, Chikosi/Fayafaya. He knows this type of gospel. They emulate it because it is lucrative. Just look at their mentors (false teachers)
      – ROB BELL
      - TODD BENTLEY
      - KIM CLEMENT
      - KENNETH & GLORIA COPELAND
      - JOHN CROWDER
      - CREFLO & TAFFY DOLLAR
      - JESSE DUPLANTIS
      - KENNETH HAGIN
      - BENNY HINN
      - T.D. JAKES
      - EDDIE LONG
      - JOYCE MEYER
      - JOEL OSTEEN
      - RAMSON MUMBA
      - PETER POPOFF
      - ROBERT SCHULLER
      - ROBERT TILTON
      - RICK WARREN
      - PAULA WHITE

      It’s a great debate because it, at least for me. It leads me to look at scriptures, search and pray about what i’m reading here.
      Matthew 24:24
      For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

      Let’s pray for the Bishop too.

      • soko

        @ wyswyg….Dont get me wrong here but throwing Brickbats at the Bishop or fayafaya wont give us the answers we seek bt we should try and respect & appreciate the work’s the Bishop is doing here irregardless of whether its different from our own views and have civil debates..hopefully that way we can a learn a thing or two from our different school of thoughts and hopefully demystify the issues raised

        • wyswyg

          I don’t know that I appreciate the bishop’s work. I however do respect his opinion. False teachings are what they are, false teachings. That’s what is disturbing here.

          • soko

            Look here I also don’t like some of the spurious claims being made by some of these prophets which just seem to be a cynical exploitation of the gullible but i am also more than happy to learn and be corrected on this opinion if im wrong which is why im participating on this forum .Lets not personalise things chete. As humans its inherent of us to criticise and condemn things we don’t understand. is there any prophet that wasn’t called fake? . Jeremiah, Shemiah, even Jesus.

          • Bhora Resimbi

            @wyswyg give me one false teaching given by Bishop Chikosi. Otherwise we are going to conclude that u r a hater

          • Fayafaya

            @wyswyg, u r proving to be a dishonest debater. Earlier u stated that prophets have been done away with. I responded by asking u what u going to do with Eph 4:11. U did not reply but quickly jumped to post other (very lengthy) things!! That is intellectual dishonesty brother. Answer my question: if prophets are done away with, whta do we make of Eph 4:11? No dodging please

      • Andy

        How do you who Bishop’s mentors are? Why cant you desist from making up stuff to build up your arguments? Why not just stick to KNOWN facts? This is a desperate attempt to grasp at anything that you think will make Bishop look bad. Its so sad.

        • wyswyg

          I don’t have to try and make the Bishop look bad. He’s doing it well for himself. The proof is in the pudding.
          If anything, I pray for him. I just don’t agree with his theology and the bible is my guide and proof.
          There is nothing desperate about my rebuttal.
          What is sad is your kind who are misled. Search the scriptures my brother.
          Thanks, and i’m done.

          • Fayafaya

            Hanzi “Thanks, and Im done.” Urikuenda kupi usingapindure mubvunzo? just like I predicted u r dodging my question. U r a dodger my friend. Which makes you a dishonest person. And this is the person who wants to pray for Bishop? Nigga pliz!

  • Albert

    @ Fayafaya ,Andy & Bhora resimbi , Have you noticed that some prophets are trying to emulate Peter Popoff ???

    • Bhora Resimbi

      How so brother?

      • Albert

        Name calling ,Miracle money…style and technique of preaching…How can a man of God boast of wearing Angelo Galasso shirts worth @ least £1000 (not to mention the jeans and shoes) when people are suffering ???

        • Bhora Resimbi

          whats people suffering got to do with the cost of one man”s shirt? Is your God so small that if He blesses one man He runs out of resources to bless another? The poor must be taught principles of prosperity so they dont look to other humans but God for their well being

          • Albert

            Because we (the poor) are the ones being duped to sponsor that extravagant lifestyle….im not saying he shouldnt wear nice reasonably priced stuff e.g Polo/Armani shirts bt c’mon man Angelo Galasso is just takn the biscuit blaz ….Chero Strive Masiiwa akashandira marii yake wudnt forlk out his hard earned cash for that ….totaly agree with you on teaching the poor principles of prosperity but like Naija said “THERE IS NOTHING MORE EVIL THAN USING PEOPLE’S FAITH AND DESPERATION TO LINE YOUR OWN POCKETS”

        • Bhora Resimbi

          U make too much out of petty things. People’s preferences and tastes vary, and they should. The Strives etc that you mention can probably afford hundreds of those kind of shirts, but choose not to wear them because its just not their taste.
          God is not as small as you try to make him. Remember the prodigal came back and dad got him new clothes, ring on finger and killed fatted calf – pretty extravagant for this whoremongering son!
          Remember as Bishop said, people go to these meetings as a matter of personal choice. Noone is being frog-marched to attend, let alone give their money.
          And that auction thing-you really think it was poor people bidding for a $10 000 shirt? What poor man bids that kinda money?

          • Albert

            i know its very hard to justify the injustifiable but that’s just a lame excuse and goes to show you never really witnessed/understand this Pyramid scheme modus operandi otherwise u wudnt have written that …..and say out of 10 000 people if only a 100 are rich and can afford certain things that certainly does not mean that the remaining 9 900 can also afford those things. need i say mo those 100 are always given preferential treatment why (e.g they seat in front of evry1 else poorer than them )??? Thot the primary reason for going to church is/was to seek the grace of God and glorify him brother NOT TO seek Money /prosperity

          • Bhora Resimbi

            This shows u dont understand how Kingdom works. If there are 10000 people and only 100 are rich, the other 9900 can still use their faith and receive the desires of their heart. I hope u not suggesting that the 100 will bankrupt the resources of heaven cause they cant. God has infinite inexhaustible resources. We can all take as much as we want without Him running out of funds

  • Max

    Good as it might be to make our own assertions concerning scriptural issues but i think it is always very important that we realise that God does not act because we just feel or want Him to act the way we want. He does things at His own time and in His own way. Whether one is a true prophet or not is a subject that we as individuals can never come out with conclusive facts. I strongly believe that as believers, lets worry more about believing the word of God by faith and not try to apply our wisdom to it. God”s word needs no human interpretation. After all the teachings we hear, lets refocus on our belief on God . Personally my attitude is let everyman be a lier but God be true. Not that i dont believe in prophecy but every prophecy should be for correction, spiritual upliftment and an endorsement of God” word. Sharing is not bad people so lets not condemn one another when one verbalises their perception or opinion. Lets help each other grow spiritually rather than condemn one another.

  • wyswyg

    @Bishop Chikosi, Fayafaya. What I make of Eph 4:11.
    Paul said in I Corinthians 13:9 and 10, “For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.” The revelation of the New Testament was not given all at once, but step by step and part by part as the men of inspiration were guided into all truth. Now we have a written representation of this truth in its entirety in the New Testament Scriptures. That which “is perfect” (complete) has come. We thank the apostles and prophets for this and look to the Word of God, being “thoroughly furnished unto all good works” (II Timothy 3:16,17).

    I have nothing to dodge or anything personal against you per se. It’s truth in Christ that I seek.
    Believe it or not, I still have much love for you, my brother.

    • Fayafaya

      Fayafaya is Fayafaya. Lets just deal with the issues at hand and not waste time on speculating on who wyswyg is.

      Eph 4:11-13 says: “So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.”
      According to this the 5 ministries, including prophets, were given to equip the saints for service. How long would this go on? “until we reach unity in the faith . . and become mature.”
      The saints still need equipping today AND we have not yet come to unity. So why would God withdraw the prophets when their work is not yet done?
      Secondly, why withdraw apostles and prophets only? Why leave the other 3? What is the rationale for this?
      Hopefully u dont try to dodge these 4 questions and mysteriously disappear from this forum!

      • wyswyg

        No revelation is being given today and no one today can add a verse to Scripture; no one today is receiving new truth. Prophets were the foundation of the church (Ephesians 2:20), which is now complete
        I Corinthians 13:8-13 specifically predicts the demise of prophesy with the completed canon of Scripture. With a complete Scripture, the other prophecies are useless.

        fayafaya, I hope you are a Christian brother or sister and realize i’m not trying to upset you. There is nothing to dodge here. I don’t have to go in circles with you. The scriptures are open to you too, to look at. God bless.

        • Fayafaya

          U just dodged the passage I gave you and introduced your own (which I’m quite happy to discuss). So let me try one more time:
          Eph 4:11-13 says the role of the 5 ministries (apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers) is to equip the saints until the church comes into unity of the faith.
          Quest1: do the saints no longer need equipping?
          Quest 2 Is the church reached the place of unity so as to make apostles and prophets unnecessary?
          The obvious answer to both questions is no.
          NOW ABOUT 1 COR 13:8-13:
          vs8 says: “But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away”
          If this passage is a “demise of prophecy” is it also a demise of knowledge? (It says in the same passage “knowledge shall cease.”) Has knowledge ceased? The answer ias no since we are adding to our knowledgw everyday. So your interpretation of 1 Cor 13 is off.
          The perfect to come is NOT the canon of scripture. The answer lies in vs 7: “V.12 “For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face.” The church will come face to face with Christ at the rapture when our bodies will receive their much awaited redemption and our salvation (partial so far) will be complete. Thids is when perfect has come, not the completion of the canon as you suggest.

    • RuachofGod

      Wyswyg, you have a lot of guts my friend!! I looked at ur list of preachers who u are calling ” fake”‘, Do u know how they came to be who they are? God calls and lifts His servants up, and iwewe wo zvako u have the audacity to call them fake, vana TD Jakes, vana Jesse Duplantis, etc. Yes, they may have their faults like u and me too, but to say they are not of God is overboard.. Cast out strife and a jealousy spirit.

      • Andy

        When u look at that list most of those ministers are Charismatics-Pentecostals (or simply non-denominational). I have a feeling this is what our friend wyswyg finds objectionable. He is probably a mainline denominational man. He certainly is a cessationist i.e. believes the gifts of the Spirit have ceased. So now u know what u dealing with . .

  • RuachofGod

    While I must confess I dont know everything concerning prophetic giftings, and the five fold ministries, I honestly want to thank Bishop Chikosi for taking the time to bring out this matter for us christians to be enlightened. Keep it up man of God. Dont worry about the insults u are getting, ,some of these people debating here are not yet saved, so what can be expected from them? God bless.

  • wyswyg

    No revelation is being given today and no one today can add a verse to Scripture; no one today is receiving new truth. Prophets were the foundation of the church (Ephesians 2:20), which is now complete
    I Corinthians 13:8-13 specifically predicts the demise of prophesy with the completed canon of Scripture. With a complete Scripture, the other prophecies are useless.
    Acts 17:11
    I have no guts, just praying for my brothers. The truth will set us free.I ‘m not overwhelmed. I’m free.

    • Fayafaya

      1 Cor 13 also predicts the demise of knowledge! So did knowledge cease at the completion of the canon? The obvious answer is no. The truth is 1 Cor 13 has nothing to do with completion of the canon. That passage is looking to the day when “we shall see face to face” (1 cor 13:7). What day is that? The rapture. At the rapture our bodies willl be redeemed and then at that point we become perfect. This is the only rational and reasonable interpretation of what “that which is perfect” means.

  • wyswyg

    @RuachofGod. You see, it’s not about “they may have their faults like u and me too, but to say they are not of God is overboard” It’s about the gospel of Jesus Christ, not men. i’m not afraid to call it like it is, because the bible is my witness. I fear no man, asi Jesu.
    No revelation is being given today and no one today can add a verse to Scripture; no one today is receiving new truth. Prophets were the foundation of the church (Ephesians 2:20), which is now complete
    I Corinthians 13:8-13 specifically predicts the demise of prophesy with the completed canon of Scripture. With a complete Scripture, the other prophecies are useless.

    • Fayafaya

      U keep repeating this “no revelation is being given today.” What is that in response to? Who here has made that argument? u seem to be responding to imaginary arguments that you really would like someone to make so that you can have the chance to refute. This is called creating straw man.
      I will repeat my response to your use of 1 cor 13:8-13. Yopu say this predicts the demise of prophecy. But it also depicts the demise of knowledge!! So has knowledge ceased? Obviously not. So what day is Paul talking about on which prophecy and knowledge will cease? There can only be one day – the rapture. At the rapture we will become perfect spirit, soul and body. Before that there is no perfection anywhere on earth. So you got it wrong when you suggest that the completion of the canon is the day paul has in mind.
      And btw the church is built on Christ the foundation. It is not built on the apostles. It is built on the TEACHING of the apostles about Christ. That is the reasonable meaning of Eph 2:20. The church is built on Christ, not on men

  • Albert

    ‘And do not let your people practice fortune-telling, or use sorcery, or interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, or cast spells, or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead. Anyone who does these things is detestable to The Lord.” Deuteronomy 18:10-12

    • wyswyg

      @Albert. This is true my brother.
      John 14:6
      Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

      All else is man’s stuff. 2Cor. 11:4………..2 Cor 2:14

    • Fayafaya

      Why do you think Biblical prophecy is fortune-telling? Calling gifts of God sorcery? Why do you disrespect the word of God this way? Please dont do that!

      • Albert

        Fayafaya am beginning to lose respect for u my brother !!! They are pretty much disrespecting the word of GOD themselves i suggest wombonatso kunzwa vanhu ava vachitura before u poison not only your self but the rest of us aswell or u are now only interested in the Prosperity Cult of how to line your own pocket using people’s faith & desperation ??? ….Why do they then need/have spiritual fathers in Ghana/Nigeria ???? John 14:6 Jesus said “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me”

        • Fayafaya

          I dont care abt respect. I care more for truth. U say “they are disrespecting the Word etc” – who is they? The discussion here has nothing to do with specific persons. Why are u incapable of conducting a debate of ideas without reference to people? The article above has no reference to people names whatsoever. If you want to have temper tantrums then you shouldnt be here.
          People can have spiritual fathers anywhere they want. there is no law abt that except may be the one u want to introduce. Paul referred to both Timothy and Titus as his sons. Which makes Paul a spiritual father doesnt it?

          • wyswyg

            No it doesn’t make Paul a spiritual father! You just inserted that terminology. You see, when you add stuff to the word of God, you create a false gospel, which we are warned of many times in the bible. That’s where I have a problem with you and this whole article of yours.
            Also the way you express yourself, and respond-for a man of the cloth leaves a lot to be desired.

        • Bhora Resimbi

          Albert, whats prosperity got to do with the above article? Man u off topic! Find previous articles and leave your comments there if u want to vent on prosperity

          • Fayafaya

            @wyswyg, you Bible ignorance is a sign and a wonder of itself. You obviously have never come across 1 Cor 4:15. Let me help you. Here is what it says:
            “Even though you have ten thousand guardians in Christ, you do not have many fathers, for in Christ Jesus I became your father through the gospel.”
            Try reading your Bible often. Its very rewarding

  • shepherd

    Let bygones be bygones.

    A wicked & adulterous generation will never believe what they say or do but wants huge signs & miracles. Let it be and only the last day shall revel the real from the unreal. Be wise & don’t criticise that which you do not understand. Know the fruits and you will know the tree

  • Ladychidor

    Dear Bishop Chikosi aka Fayafaya aka Bhora resimbi aka Andy aka Anonymous there is no point of having this debate with u as u have already stated in your article that “if you are not a Prophet or an Apostle then an accurate understanding of how this gift functions is something above your pay grade” and have shown this by using various aliases to vehemently crash anyone who dares express an opinion which is different from yours …

    • Andy

      If you have lost the argument, just get over it!
      judging from previous posts I dont even think this is the same Ladychidor who has contributed positively in the past. I think someone is using Ladychidor’s name here to mislead us into thinking she has switched views. We will probably hear from the real Ladychidor soon. As for you, find your own pseudonymns. I can suggets a few appropriate ones . . .

      • Ladychidor

        Whoever is using my name to contribute to this debate is very deceitful. Why dont u use ur own identity or pseudonymn

    • Ladychidor

      Kindly find ur own name and use it to debate. Its untruthful and dishonest to try to tarnish my opinions.

  • Anonymous

    Have you ever thought of it that Africans need prophecy. The bible says when one prophecies, he or she edifies the church. Most of Africa has known the gospel, has known salvation. Why do you question the prophets? Don’t you need edification? But one thing I am positive about is that even in the day of Nathan and Isaiah, David, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph, Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, and all other prophets, there were such as the majority we see here, claiming to love God and to know God, yet villifying his prophets.

    For the same reason, they crucified the Saviour, refusing to acknowledge He is the saviour, and killed Him. In Nazarene, the bible says Christ could do no might works because of their unbelief. If you have eyes and see, and have ears and hear, hear me: What there prophets are doing for others will never work for you. For the bible says in the book of Hebrews, for it to work for you, you have to mix the word with faith. So, they may be false in your eyes, but that won’t stop God working in them, and that won’t stop God doing big things in the lives of those who believe through the same that you have rejected. Watch and see…