Baseless finger-pointing says more about accuser than accused


By Bishop Dave Chikosi

Let me be very clear: I am not here to defend the practices and procedures of any church. Nor am I here as a spokesman for any ministry other than the one I belong to. (And btw I tend not to share precious details of my calling with persons of doubtful spiritual perception or affinity. Jesus warned us to not “cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and tear you” – Matt 7:6).

Bishop Dave Chikosi
Bishop Dave Chikosi

But what prompted me to chime in on this debate was the brazen attempt by Mr Brilliant Pongo to misuse scripture to attack pastors he disagrees with. I couldn’t stand by and watch this charade go by unchallenged. Remember this is how Adam got us all into trouble. He stood idly by and said nothing as the serpent played footsie with the Truth.

Allow me reader, to refresh your memory concerning what is at the root of this debate. The main bone of contention between Mr Pongo and myself is the question of how Gospel ministers should be remunerated/compensated/paid.

Mr Pongo argues that (and I quote): “What must be happening is that these preachers are to be looked after by those with means, as the word says in (Mark 10) vs. 11 ‘and into whatever city or village you enter, inquire who is worthy in it; and abide there until you go away.’ ”

I have rebutted that and showed how this line of reasoning is based on a careless reading of scripture. It turns out Mr Pongo was in fact blissfully unaware that these instructions were later reversed by our Lord in Luke 22. So much for the diligent study of the most important Book in the universe!

But the sloppy handling of God’s Word did not stop there. Mr Pongo later lambasted me for making 2 Cor 9:6-8 a “dollars” passage. Again, and very carelessly, he failed to read the whole of 2 Cor 9, which is the proper context of that passage. For a trained journalist, this kind of sloppiness is inexcusable. How do you fail to read a context that consists of no more than 15 verses? Duh!

But wait! The coup de grace was yet to come. Mr Pongo opined: “We also learn a very important lesson in the book of Isaiah that we should not seek payment in the ministry (Isa. 45: 13).” For real? This is a breathtaking display of exegetical gymnastics. How do you derive that “very important lesson” from this verse?

That verse has absolutely nothing to with seeking payment in ministry. It’s talking about Cyrus a pagan king whom God would use to rebuild Jerusalem. But this is the sort of carelessness that we have come to expect from Mr Pongo. Hopefully when he writes his political pieces he is factually more accurate than this.

So how should Gospel ministers get paid? Most Protestant churches (I think it’s true of Catholics as well) pay their pastors out of the tithes and offerings received at their church services. I don’t think there is any controversy there. I am sure that is how Mr Pongo’s pastor, if he has one, is paid (May be he can tell us when he got saved and where he goes to church).

But what people often are not aware of is that there are other streams of income available to the pastor. As a matter of fact, these other streams of income can be more significant to the minister than the regular monthly salary, usually decided by the Church Bored (excuse me – I meant Church Board).

Some of these Church Boards can be as tight-fisted as Mr Pongo when it comes to rewarding their pastor. A lot of them have the “we’ll-keep-the-pastor-poor-to-keep-him-humble” philosophy. But that approach is very damaging to the ministry as it undercuts the pastor’s ability to support his family. This in turn has negative repercussions on the attitude that a PK (Preacher’s Kid) grows up with towards the church.

As a PK myself, I’ve seen this sort of thing too often. Growing up in the church, my own personal view is that many pastors are undercompensated. This has caused a lot of hardships on the part of the minister’s family. In many cases the pastor has been left with no option but to take up what Mr Pongo called “gainful employment.” In Mr Pongo’s pastoral

theology, a man cannot be full time in the ministry and just live by the Gospel. He must also get a job. “What stops you from getting gainful employment like everybody else?” Mr Pongo asks in his latest article.

But its questions like these that reveal the depth of his lack of Bible knowledge where ministry is concerned. Mr Pongo doesn’t seem to be aware that “the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel” (1 Cor 9:14). Notice that Paul says “the Lord has commanded” it.

So here we have Mr Brilliant Pongo with his own brilliant command – the exact polar opposite of what the Lord commanded. So who are we then to follow – Jesus or Pongo? Are we preachers supposed to ignore what our Lord commanded in favor of the theories of my journalist friend? Where will his theories lead us?

The Apostle Paul was very aware of the need for a church to compensate its pastors. This is why he gave Timothy these instructions: “The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of DOUBLE honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching” (1 Tim 5: 17-18).

And then he quotes from Deuteronomy 25:4, saying “Do not muzzle the ox while it is treading out the grain.” He also quotes in the same passage from the saying of Jesus recorded in Luke 10:7: “The worker deserves his wages.”

Mr Pongo wants pastors to be paid, not according to the “double honor” rule, but according to prevailing poverty-level wages. He wants the pastor to live, not in a nice house, but in a hovel. He wants the man of God riding a bicycle or scooter and not a nice car. And God forbid that the pastor’s kids wear nice clothes. That would be too worldly.

And if the minister dare ask for a raise, Mr Pongo would simply read them the riot act: “Therefore I say unto you, Take no thought for your life, what ye shall eat, or what ye shall drink; nor yet for your body, what ye shall put on. Is not the life more than meat, and body than raiment?” (Matt 6).

But while he’s reading this he himself is nicely ensconced in a beautiful home in England, drives a smart car and is well-groomed from the bottom of his shoes to the tip of his beard! If Mr Pongo doesn’t believe in prosperity, here is my challenge to him: quit your job sir, give away all your physical assets and material goods and go live under London Bridge.

Will he do it? No he wont. He loves his comfortable English life too much. But why then is it wrong for pastors to also aspire for a better and more comfortable life? What hypocrisy and double standards!

But what Mr Pongo fails to notice in the Matthew 6 passage he quotes is the last part that says: “and all these THINGS shall be added unto you.” Things added? And here I thought God is into the subtraction business! Mr Pongo’s version of the Gospel says God wants to subtract, not add, things to you.

Its likely that he has never come across Mark 11:22-23 where Jesus says: “What THINGS soever you desire when you pray, believe that you receive them and you shall have them” (Mark 11:22-24). Them what? Them THINGS! You mean God wants us to have THINGS? Yes.

The Apostle Peter echoes the same thought when he says: “God’s divine power has granted to us all THINGS that pertain to life and godliness” (2 Pet 1:3). The Apostle Paul also chimes in and says:

All THINGS are yours, whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas or the world or life or death or the present or the future—all are yours, and you are of Christ, and Christ is of God (1 Cor 3:22-23)

Are you beginning to get the picture? The truth of the Bible is this: God is not against you having things. He’s against things having you. Big difference! You cannot serve God AND mammon, but you should serve God WITH mammon. (And mammon is not money per se. Mammon is money deified and regarded as an object of worship).

But let’s go back to the possibility of the pastor having multiple streams of ministry income. If you are going to criticize a minister’s affluence, make sure you have your facts correct about his sources of income. Don’t assume that because he has stuff, he must be ripping people off.

In today’s ministry landscape, pastors do not have to just depend on a regular monthly salary set by the Board. There are ministry products (books, CDs and DVDs) honorariums, direct gifts from congregants and well-wishers etc that can constitute very significant income streams.

As a matter of fact, we know that the pastor of the largest church in America, Joel Osteen, does not even draw a salary from his church. Income from various ministry products is more than enough to enable him and his family to live the life

of their dreams. The same is true for Rick Warren, author of the best-selling “Purpose Driven Life” book that has sold over 30 million copies. He says that he will never need to get a pay check from his church. I could cite about a dozen other pastors like this but I think you get the point.

And so if you are going to attack someone for being rich off of poor people, back it up with evidence to show the veracity of your allegations. That is what good journalists do. They don’t just make wild accusations. A good journalist will back up his accusations with facts and figures.

If you are not privy to all the facts surrounding how a preacher earns his income, then just zip it and wait until you do. Otherwise you are just a hater motivated by that green-eyed monster called jealousy and risk losing credibility.

Of course where the facts and figures point to clear wrongdoing, I’m all for the offending party being called to account. But until then, wild and baseless finger-pointing serves no purpose except to reveal the smallness of the minds of those engaged in such futile exercises. Like Jesus said to John: mind your own business.

Mr Pongo has taken it upon himself to raise his tongue against ministers who undoubtedly God is using. He is aware of the “touch not mine anointed” admonition of scripture, but he somehow thinks it doesn’t apply to him. He thinks its a device to stifle criticism.

Let me tell you something sir: in my over 30 years of ministry I have not seen a man or woman succeed in life who actively trashes something that God has anointed. Even Balaam, the prophet-turned-sorcerer knew it when he said: “How shall I curse, whom God hath not cursed? or how shall I defy, whom the LORD hath not defied?” (Numbers 22:8).

It is interesting that young David, knowing fully well that he had been anointed to succeed demon-possessed King Saul (who was afflicted by an evil spirit), still refused to kill the king when he had the perfect opportunity to do so. His reason? “Who can lay a hand on the LORD’s anointed and be guiltless?” (1 Sam 26:9).

And when a young man finally killed Saul, thinking he was doing David a favor, David’s reaction was very interesting:

David asked him, “Why weren’t you afraid to lift your hand to destroy the Lord’s anointed?” Then David called one of his men and said, “Go, strike him down!” So he struck him down, and he died. 16 For David had said to him, “Your blood be on your own head. Your own mouth testified against you when you said, ‘I killed the Lord’s anointed.’” (2 Sam 1:14-15)

It will be very interesting to watch the trajectory of your life Mr Pongo, six, twelve or eighteen months from now. It is no small thing to curse what God has blessed. I am praying for you for a change of heart. Muri kupinda nemoto mudziva mukoma. Anokuvara ndiwe.

Bishop Dave Chikosi is founder, Bishop and senior Pastor of Grace Christian Fellowship International Churches.

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  • Tony Mac

    Ko nhai imi vaChikosi if your religious/Christian work is “clean” and Godly as you have always argued why are you wasting time mudslinging in public media? Let Mr. Pongo go one with his “false accusations” and God will deal with him. If you are truly “a man of God” then please let the Lord fight your battle. “Kuzeza chati kwata………….???????”

    • Fayafaya

      Some of us dont see this as mudslinging. There is need for someone to counteract the misinformation that is being put out there by critics of these prophets. The Bishop is following the footsteps of apostles such as Paul who the Bible says “entered the synagogue and spoke boldly there for three months, ARGUING persuasively about the kingdom of God” (Acts 19:8).
      Keep on writing Bishop. Some of us are learning quite a lot from the scriptures you are sharing

    • wyswyg

      I was thinking the same! Arwadziwa, panechiripo.

  • Daniel shumba

    Your article Bishop Chikosi leaves me wondering whether you are indeed a man of God or just a well rounded scholar.Your sharp words that are full of vernom have inflicted a sharp sting and I can almost guarantee you that Mr Pongo wherever he is licking his wound. But is that really Christ-like behaviour. Is this what you teach your audience; to attack fire with fire. You may have written a well articulated piece, but certainly this leaves a sour taste in the mouth of he reader. Especially when you use language that demeans your debating partner, we left wondering what the world has come down to

    • Fayafaya

      The Bishop’s language, compared to some of the things Jesus said is very mild. Jesus scolded religious leaders of his day saying:
      “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men’s bones and everything unclean'(MATT 23:27)

      How abt Paul when he scolded the high priest?
      “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck!” (Acts 23:3)

      The Bishop is just going about his Father’s business. The truth is vamwe venyu majaira kutukirira mapastor vasingadzorere. Rwendo runo aiwa, bodo, kwete!

      • tired of nehanda journalists

        hahahahaha..Fayafaya!..lm really learning also out of the scriptures you are quoting,

  • tired of nehanda journalists

    amen Bishop Chikosi,..yu have said it all Man of God!!.. God bless you more&more!!..

  • wyswyg

    I think most people would like to look after their pastors. It’s when you guys start driving Bentleys and flying private jets and wearing Armani suits that’s becomes questionable.
    You turn tricks on the gospel by writing books and selling them on the unsuspecting. What was given freely give freely.
    Joel Osteen, the one you prosperity teachers aspire to be preaches some foreign gospel and he doesn’t draw a salary because he’s made it to the big time. All the books and donations got him a lifestyle like King Solomon.

    • Fayafaya

      Too petty. U really think God cares what car one man drives or what suit he wears? U think a car or suit will bankrupt the Kingdom? Your God must be very small

      • wyswyg

        Yes, he does. Look in the bible. There is nothing petty about fleecing the kingdom of God.

        • Fayafaya

          where?

          • wyswyg

            Prov 30:8-9
            Prov 23:4-5
            Ps 37:7,16
            Mat 6:19-21
            Luke 16:13
            Acts 4:32,34-35
            Ps 49:16-19

            I could give you more and more of this, but like I said, have strength to search the gospels yourself with an open heart.
            I am a so called PK, myself. I saw my father serve without all this prosperity stuff. He gave all the time and still lived well and decent and he died this year at 75 without a scandal in his life time. This prosperity stuff!!! Oh, well!

        • Fayafaya

          U give a catalogue of scriptures but none of them says God is concerned with the type of car a pastor drives. Tell me: which car does God approve – VW Beetle? beat-up old Chevy? What is the criteria for a “Godly” car? What price range?
          Can u see how ridiculous this gets?

          • wyswyg

            Shaz, I’m sure you’re grown man! In Jesus days there were chariots ahd horses and donkeys. Think outside the box. The way you are responding feels like you might be the Chikosi guy himself.
            God bless you and enlighten you.

        • Fayafaya

          if u cant give a criteria for acceptable (to you) standard of living for pastors, then quit knocking other people because their standard is different from yours. Fair?

          • detective

            The criteria is there in the bible. You bend it to justify opulence and fleecing the flock. No one is against pastors renumerationn as you pretend people are saying. Jesus encouraged us not to pursue zvenyika because zvinokanganisa basa ramwari. Looking for references to Chevy s shows we are not debating at the same level. I expect that from Kindergaten kids.

          • Fayafaya

            @Detective, a kindergaten mind is one that fails to see the context in which the Chevy vehicle was cited.

            U say the criteria is in the Bible and then fail to cite it. Odd!

            And what is “pursuing zvenyika”? I guess yes we are debating at different levels

      • hozhwa

        Actually he does, thats why Jesus told the young man to give up his riches and follow him and said it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to….
        Read the bible for yourself. Dont listen to snake oil salesman.

        • Fayafaya

          @hozhwa, so how much of your riches have youy given up?

          I also assume you are one of those who take this command as binding on all people in all places at all times?

          3rd question: do you know what the eye of a needle historically was?

  • Ale

    Iwe Chikosi ngochani ndozvinokupai kupemwa musoro kudaro,maridzevanhu dzakuwandira dzimwe wakutogadzirisa musoro semukadzi,zvauri kutaura hazvina musoro,nyaya iripo ndeyekuti mapastor makuita busy nekutoreras mari vanhu nechitsotsi every service dzenyu you get thousands of dollars from the poor then you use the money to buy ma Bentley nema Lexus asi ruzhinji rwema members enyu achitambudzika,tinoziva tese kuti munhu kana ashanda anofanirwa kubhadharwa,shoko ramwari rinoti you are given freely therefore give freely iwe sevzawati urimwana wamfundisi wakatengeserwa here shoko racho nababa vako?asi imi vafundisi venhema nhasi motitengesera mvura,maprayer line kana ma air time acho,ndepapi pocho pakanyorwa mubhaibheri kuti Jesu akatengesera vanhu mvura kana kuti akatengesa gamenzirake pa auction? asi imbotiudzawo iwe waka pihwa nani ubishopi hwako? kasi wakatenga sa Simoni chin’anga?

    • Fayafaya

      Wakatengeserwa mvura naani? Ukatenga? kikikiki

      • wyswyg

        Fayafaya, dzidza ne bible haikona neva fundisi ve online apa. Urikuratidza lack of knowledge apa. There is nothing funny about this discussion.
        Anyway, God bless you.

      • Fayafaya

        Manje ukatenga mvura, dofo/benzi ndiyani – arikutengesa kana atengeserwa?

      • Ale

        Zidofo hauzive kuti mvura dzeminamato dzirikutengeswa.

        • Fayafaya

          Naani? Ukatenga?

    • wyswyg

      Ale. How come vamwe avazviwoni zvauri kutaura!Prosperity gospel rino yevedza, but the only one prospering is the pastor and his wife.
      Shame. Gospel rinotaura kuti ivo na pastor wavo vano paridza false gospel vachaona fire vese. Hapana excuse kuti! Lord,Lord taiterera mufundisi wamakatuma. God will say “depart from me, I never knew you”

      • Fayafaya

        Chinombonzi prosperity gospel chii? Why do people keep wanting to display their ignorance of God’s Word in a forum like this? If there is a prosperity gospel then there is a poverty gospel?

        • wyswyg

          Ask your pastor Chikosi. Ndivo vano riparidza. You can play ignorant,but it is what it is however you say it, Fayafaya. Raka taurwa muma gwaro and don’t ask me where? Tsvaka wega udzidze kuti there are plenty false teachers and true teachers in this world. deny at your own peril.

          • Fayafaya

            FYI Prosperity is integral to the gospel. There is no such thing as prosperity or poverty gospel.

  • 3 articles later and still Mt Chikosi will not reveal how he became a bishop or how he makes a living.

    • Fayafaya

      3 articles later u still wont put a picture on your post like the Bishop challeged u too. What r u hiding or afraid of?

      • Fayafaya

        Are u afraid ZRP might see your pic?

        • Ale

          iwe Fayafaya unorwara chete kikikiki!

        • Bishop David Chikosi

          Sorry Matibili, I give up mate, you got me. please tell Pongo to relax too. am just tryna make some cash pple take it easy everybody’s gotta eat. who cares anyway we only loot from those who r too stupid to read their bibles.

          • Fayafaya

            U must really think we are dumb to believe that this is Bishop Chikosi posting this balderdash! Nice try

  • David Tinashe Mubannga

    I’m worried about the people who are being misled by these money-hungry bishops,and I wonder which songs they sing in their churches if they say Jesus in His prayer said Thy kingdom come yet churches are busy singing I will fly away.

    • Fayafaya

      God does not want us in heaven-not right away anyway. He gave the Church the Great Commission and along with that He gave her also authority to bind and loose. Now if you fly away who is going to do the work that He left the church to do? If God wanted you in heaven He would have killed you the very day you became a Christian. No, he wants you here on earth. And even though we will go to heaven, it will be for temporary residence. We are coming back ultimately to this earth which was created for humans.
      Psalm 115:16 says:
      “The highest heavens belong to the LORD, but the earth he has given to man”

      Thank you Bishop Chikosi for reminding us of these eternal truths

  • Benni

    Bishop why so concerned about money,pay,salary,wages etc .i was expecting a message of peace and forgiviness i begin to doubt your pedigree

    • Fayafaya

      The Bible is not one-dimensional. It addresses a whole plethora of subjects – marriage and divorce, divine healing, church governance, creation, worship, prayer, the godhead etc etc.
      The Bishop at this time happens to be addressing a particular subject (prosperity) which was not even raised by him, but by his debating partner.
      If you want to hear other Bible topics addressed by Bishop he has several video messages on Youtube. Find them and u will be blessed.

      • tired of nehanda journalists

        wow!..fayafaya,..l like your responses!

      • Ale

        Okay Fayafaya i see now you are a member of his church murikudya mari mese,i bet if you put your picture we will see perm yako hehehehe!idyai mari dzemapenzi asi mwari haasi benzi come judgement day.

        • Fayafaya

          Ko iwe picture yako irikupi?

        • detective

          Fayafaya is actually the bishop incognito. Dont be deceived.

  • Mahachi M.Z. Pastor

    Yep chachaya,the backlash of this debate has reminded me the passage in Bible which says that the word of the Lord is like a sharp sword that cuts from both sides.So kutatsurana uku is really exposing gymnastic exegetics,hermenuitics and homiletics.Scripture is there to refute.It is my hope that enlightment will prevail.Man of cloth will continue to do their work according to their calling and will not be subjected to unsanctioned attacks from irreligious persons.

    • Fayafaya

      Amen mfundisi! Zvekutuka vanhu vaMwari taramba

  • Hughes mutasa

    Fayafaya yu are right mate!Ko nhai anoramba kugara zvakanaka ndiani?Ikasava mweya yetsvina.Prosperity ko akati inoreva mari chete ndiani?????Good health chaiko its prosperity,kubudirira pazvinhu zvose in life its prosperity like kubudirira padzidzo,kuimba,in short it covers breakthru yezvinhu zvose in life.Jesus was rich.Why???Coz he had a Treasurer Judas Iscariot.Ko nhai ungaita Treasurer here kana usina mari?Ungaite Accountant vako personal one usina chinhu???Ukaona mufundisi anoda kuti vana vesangano vatambure kana kuparidza nhamo ibva nekukurumidza.Thumbs up to Bishop Chikosi.Vamwe vanoti paridzai forgiveness chete kwete nokuti Satan arikutora mukana achipa vanhu wrong information vamwe vanonotserwa minana yavo coz of that.So its high time we christians kuudza world kuti yu can only be rich thru Jesus only kwete kunobatiswa zvikwambo.Jesus can make you rich coz mari ndeyaJehovha satan haana chaanacho pasi pezuva.Cars chaiko ndezvaMwari izvi.Vamwe vanoda good health ,deliverance etc ngavamhanyire kuna Jesus kwete vanyori venhau ava.You need grace of God to understand.Simba rakajairwa chete nevatema ndere N’anga nevaroyi.Asi ndinofara nokuti nguva ichiripo try Jesus muone kuti chii chinoitika.Pongo try Jesus you can be successfull chaiko in life.

    • Fayafaya

      “mari ndeyaJehovha satan haana chaanacho pasi pezuva” I love it! Preach it bru! I heard the same word at church today based on Haggai 2:8 “The silver and gold are mine saith the Lord.”

    • Afro Eye

      Hughes Mutasa rega ndikugadzirise shamwari nekuti basa raJudas harisi raireva kuti Jesu ane mari zhinji. Having a treasurer meant kuti Jesus needed to focus on other things and not on monetary issues because zvaizomukanganisa. A lot of today’s preachers are failing to follow the example set by Jesus, you can not effectively carry out ministry and be concerned about how money is being handled, hazviite. Ana Bishopu venyu ava ndivo vabati vehomwe mumakereke umu nekuti vari kuitsvaga mari nedemo! Focus yevazhinji yakarasika, what good is it to gain the whole world and lose your soul?

      • Fayafaya

        @Afro Eye – Simply not true. In the wilderness where Jesus fed the multitudes the disciples had 200 denari, which represents a year’s wages (John 6:37). Add to that the total amount that Judas was regularly stealing from the bag and its very clear that this ministry needed a treasurer to oversee fairly large amounts of money

  • Afro Eye

    I am extremely disgusted by how a learned Bishop like Chikosi manipulates and misinterprets scripture like you are doing Sir. What you have done up there is to expose how greedy you are to gain material wealth. Remember, the love of money is the root of all evil and you can not serve both God and mormon. A lot of these prosperity preachers have fallen prey to the love of money and are therefore manipulating scripture to get rich.

    Like all your other capitalist desperados masquerading as men of the cloth, Bishop Chikosi, I urge you to put your focus on serving the Lord because you love Him and not serve because you are looking at being paid. Let scripture fulfill itself. Psalm 37:25, the Psalmist declares the providence of God. The majority of you hide behind scripture to try and amass wealth for your selfish gains. I agree with Pongo, what happened to preaching Justice, Love and Faithfulness (Mat 23:23) which are the weightier matters of the law? Why do you guys only focus on money issues as if they are the only ones that God is concerned with?

    • Fayafaya

      Give me one scripture that the Bishop manipulates and misinterpretes. If you cant then we are going to question your character

  • Madzingo

    Aiwaka nhai Afro Eye. Justice love and faithfulness are not in the current topic raised by Pongo who has proved to be not so Brilliant. Uyu Chikosi ari right pahuwrong hwake. Imi hamuidiwo here mari, itai ka zviri kuitwa naChikosi. I also suspect that Fayafaya is the Bishop incognito, or his pedagogi. Chokwadi ndechekuti the boy knows his stuff and I big him up. Its the end bit where I fault him, cursing or pronouncing a curse sound like zvatove zvechin’anga ka. Christianity exudes grace. Bhora mberi vaPongo.

    • Fayafaya

      @Madzingo, You are on the right track my friend. Asi wazotipotsei panyaya ye cursing apo. First of all the Bishop was not pronouncing a curse. He was just making the man aware of the law of cause and effect.

      However, verenga passage iyi and then tell me if Paul was doing zvechin’ganga:

      ACTS 13:8-12
      8 But Elymas the sorcerer (for that is what his name means) opposed them and tried to turn the proconsul from the faith. 9 Then Saul, who was also called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked straight at Elymas and said, 10 “You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord? 11 Now the hand of the Lord is against you. You are going to be blind for a time, not even able to see the light of the sun.”
      Immediately mist and darkness came over him, and he groped about, seeking someone to lead him by the hand

  • Hughes Mutasa

    @ Fayafaya yu are right mate coz Judas akatosvika pakuba zvake mari isingabatwe meaning kuti mari yakange yakavanda hama.ko nhai vanoramba kugara zvakana munoda deliverance chete nokuti itori mweya yetsvina.munoda poverty gospel.Anyway even Jesus akati preach good news to the poor.pamwe pacho akati varombo muchagara muinawo.murombo anoda good news kuti aiite mari.isu takatopfuura pastage tave kudya mari nekuda kwaJesus uyu vamurikuramba zvenyu vana veAfrica.Mwari uyu anoropafadza avo vanobhadhara zvipiriso mumba maJehovha.Read Psalm 50v 14.Saka regai kutaura zvamusingazivi.Lets servants of God preach the word vanooda kukomborerwa vaitirwe zvakanaka vanoda kurapwa chaiko vaporeswe.Imi chii chakurwadzai apa?Varoyi nenhubu vanoda maningi kutaura maverse ekuregerera nelove .havadi kunzwa mamwe maverse like Exodus 22v 18 inoti “usarege muroyi ari mupenyu”.ukaona murume kana mukadzi vemunhu asingadi kuenda pamberi pemuProphet ziva kuti pane chihure kana kuti mishonga /zvikwambo zvakabatwa

  • muzimbo

    I have been following the arguments of both men and I believe to some extend both are right, but at the end of the day I believe that there is nothing wrong in taking care of the pastor as long as one does it willingly without being hoodwinked by anybody.

    any scripture can be twisted to suit what one will be trying to convey and it is the case with these 2 men. each is taking a scripture and taking it to extremes and conveniently forgetting other scriptures that does not support their arguments.

    my advise is each and everyone who says is a believer should simply study the word of God personally and always have the mentality of the Bereans who searched the scriptures to always authenticate what Paul would have taught. If we do not do this then we are at the mercy of those who claim to be closer to God than others.

    I have always wanted to ask kuti ” did we all receive the same Jesus, that is, apostles, prophets, evengelists, pastors, teachers, decons, elders, bishops, priests, and us vana vesangano?” or ” some received a superior Jesus than others?”

  • Ngonie

    Iwe fayafaya dnt think that u are witty playing double argent here. I have been carefully following up yo commentary synopsis and there is no doubt that u are in fact Bishop Dave himself. That is such a deceptive cowardice and flimsy way to make a point!!!. What kind of a bishop are u that uses the duh word anyway?? I mean the looks/hair and all surely back up that utterance but really!!! A bishop Duh!!!! Even my 3 yr old daughter can do better, And was there any need to pardon yourself for a spelling error that u could have simply edited before posting?? Mr bishop I should say you blew your own cover by revealing the following and I quote “As a PK myself, I’ve seen this sort of thing too often. Growing up in the church, my own personal view is that many pastors are under compensated. This has caused a lot of hardships on the part of the minister’s family. In many cases the pastor has been left with no option but to take up what Mr Pongo called “gainful employment.” In Mr Pongo’s pastoral”….Well Bishop Dave i suggest u stop crying foul and start looking for a job and stop justifying on behalf of other pastors and their families. The essence of being a pastor is to edify pple with wisdom by preaching the word of God not this hogwash of expecting yo family to be taken care of by another family man. You reflect a lot of vindication in your views towards Mr Pango. Make your point in a less suspicious and rather more mature conversational terrain. In fact through your language and colloquial use of words and verbs I can’t help but notice that u are the type that grew up in a church upbringing hence PK as u put it, but honestly from your reckless and sluggish use of words I can safely say you where not cut out for being a bishop at all. You mentioned at the beginning of your article that u are not here to defend the practices and procedures of any church. Nor are you here as a spokesman for any ministry other than the one u belong to. Well my friend I think you are here to support everything that Mr Pango is against in a bid to protect your own referent position as “PK”/Bishop. I could not help but notice that some of your statements and arguments reflected churches as business entities which sickens me to my tummy and that mentality my friend is the same reason why Mr Pango took the time to share all his articles with the rest of us. I will quote you again having said “If Mr Pango doesn’t believe in prosperity, here is my challenge to him: quit your job sir, give away all your physical assets and material goods and go live under London Bridge. Will he do it? No he wont. He loves his comfortable English life too much”….That my friend is a political and very immature assessment especially coming from a PK/Bishop, it’s a hostile and yet vindictive utterance hence shame on you. You have actually given Mr Pango every reason to yet journal another article which I strongly believe will be more enlightening as opposed to this nonsensical red-tape stereotypical article of yours. You talk of hypocrisy and double standards and yet through your words a lot of venom is spelt. And by the way who are you to judge or threaten Pango buy saying…quote ” It will be very interesting to watch the
    trajectory of your life Mr Pongo, six, twelve or eighteen months from now. It is no small thing to curse what God has blessed. I am
    praying for you for a change of heart. Muri kupinda nemoto mudziva mukoma. Anokuvara ndiwe.” Jeez mate you need help yourself in fact you seem to suffer from a combination of complex inferiority coupled up with MPD “Multi Personality Disorder” you need to decide whose side you are on Dave coz I sense a lot of mixed emotions in yo general judgment. Every war is won and lost before it is fought but in your case it turns out you can’t even pull the trigger. I vehemently suggest you go back to the drawing board and do the following 1-Give your attitude an extreme makeover 2-Cleanse your sordid mouth and the words that come out if it and lastly grow up man and get rid of that awkward looking hair of yoz, be a gentleman and live the hair products for the ladies…..NBC…….Out!!

    • Fayafaya

      If u r sick to your stomach maybe it has something to do with what u ate last night. For all that vituperation, u have actually said nothing of substance and meriting a response. Try again, but this time dont forget to engage your brains. And please remember to “let not the sun go down on your anger” (Eph 5)

  • Ngonie

    Bishop Dave aka Fayafaya ohhhhh man shame mate I really pity u!!

  • Bhora Resimbi

    Faya faya ndizvo Bishop ndizvo,cant all agree the Gospel will not be fulfilled,Glory to GOD…………Those who want pastors to be poor i pity you and those worried about what they eat what they drive,u are even jelous of their wives,cant you open your chruch and be rich is that is simple…..there are a lot of rich people in church…..In view of the fact that God limited the intelligence of man, it seems unfair that he did not also limit his stupidity.

  • joe

    Munhu anonzi Faya Faya needs deliverance and prayers. If he does not change he will find himself in the fire of Hell.

  • Concerned

    you need to cut your hair vachikosi!!!